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« on: September 23, 2011, 01:25:25 PM »

I would imagine that by now, a number of you will have seen this Comics Alliance article that has been making the rounds over the past couple of days. We all know that there are a lot of problems with the recent DC reboot comics, but this piece goes in-depth on sometimes apart from metallic pants: the depiction of female sexuality.

Now make no mistake, this isn't some hyper-feminazi rambling about how comic books are inherently sexist and therefore evil. It's a pretty well-reasoned argument on why this issue has taken a turn for the worst in recent times. There are even some good examples of positive portrayals of female sexuality to contrast the more recent negative ones. Of course, I'm sure that negative examples exist outside of the DC reboot comics, but I guess the excessive hatred being leveled at those new issues provided a good opportunity to bring attention to a bigger problem.

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 08:10:33 PM »

This person is sorta over reacting to the initial opening to the first issue of Catwoman. Consider that we've all read plenty of comic books which open up with some faceless superhero donning their iconic costume. For example: we start with a shot of well built male putting on a spiky glove and then throwing on a cape over his grey Kevlar suit. We don’t get to see this character’s face until it is finally revealed in a dramatic full page splash of the character in question. Surprise, it’s Batman! The main character of the comic you reading, whom you surely recognized as individual aspects of his iconic were showcased. Unfortunately it just so happens that the iconic aspects of Catwoman's costume are skin hugging latex and cat claws/ears. So if you want to hate on the latex costume, that's fair enough. But I don't buy the overemphasis on the fact that her face is not shown.

Secondly the writer says that there is no reason Batman and Catwoman shouldn’t have consensual sex, but she objects to the unnecessarily graphic depiction. But when you are looking to over sensationalize a story, it’s very easy to see exactly what you want to see. Which in this case is apparently “a full-page splash of Batman actually penetrating Catwoman”. But anyone who actually read the comic and did so with an objective eye can see that’s not the case. If she thinks that a couple can comfortably move from making out to full insertion and penetration in a single instant, then clearly there is something abnormal going on with her genitals and/or sex life. So if that last page wasn't really a page of gratuitous hentai, then what was it exactly? I guess it was just a full-page splash of Catwoman straddling Batman, which implies that she seduces him and they later have the sex. Well I certainly don’t see what’s wrong with that and surely it’s something we’ve seen Catwoman attempt countless times over the years.

I have nothing to say about the whole Starfire matter, cause in this case the writer is completely accurate in her assessment.

And as for the depiction of a male and female lantern, well that on the other is not entirely accurate. Carol Ferris was chosen as a member of the Star Sapphires, so don't get the wrong idea about the Green Lanterns themselves. And if you want an actually accurate depiction of a pair of heroic male and female Green Lantern members, observe Kyle Rayner and Soranik Natu: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3777/raynerxnatu.jpg
She’s a assertive doctor and he’s a sensitive artist~

While the Green Lanterns are a corps representing will and harnessing its force, the Star Sapphires represent love and harness it for their power. Due to will being in the center of the emotional spectrum, (which is why they are represented by green) its users have a much more stable disposition and personality. Love on the other hand is considered to be one extreme edge of the emotional spectrum (which is why they are represented by violet) and thus results in a more volatile disposition in its corpsmen. In that way the Star Sapphires are more comparable to the corps which represents the other extreme side of the emotional spectrum, the Red Lantern corps who harness the power of rage.
http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/e/ef/Red_Lantern_Corps_004.jpg

Hmm… hideous monsters harnessing the power the powers of hatred and beautiful women harnessing the powers of love. That almost sounds like a solid justification for this design? Well in the end, not really. Cause Carol Ferris has been wearing that skimpy costume while she plagues Hal Jordan with her hysterical sex and violence for at least 40 years before the Green Lantern mythos was revamped with all this talk of an emotional spectrum. So being offended by Star Sapphire’s entire existence is not all that unreasonable.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 02:40:18 PM »

An excellent rebuttal Pedram.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 03:57:46 PM »

All in all, in regards to this new DC reboot:
People are making too much of a fuss over Catwoman and Batman having sex
People are making exactly the right amount of a fuss over Starfire being an emotionless sex object
People are making not enough of a fuss over Amanda Waller being retconned into a slim, sexy woman
Before: http://amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/amanda_waller.jpg
After: http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_0033.jpg
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2011, 04:44:47 PM »

cannot view 'after' picture. however, that's a big mistake in any event. just hope that new 52 doesn't end up being another countdown to final crisis. (So, if 52 is editorially driven, you should avoid it like the plague mixed with superaids.)
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 11:21:44 PM »

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_0033.jpg (extra / removed)
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 12:59:19 AM »

The first 52 (after Infinite Crisis) was a work of collaborative genius, but obviously Countdown was a the kind of steaming pile of shit that makes you regret eating whatever you ate that made your poop burn your ass on the way out.
But I am always optimistic about new comics, especially Grant Morrison's upcoming expansion of the Mutliverse in the mini-series "Multiversity"
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2011, 12:08:12 PM »

People are making not enough of a fuss over Amanda Waller being retconned into a slim, sexy woman
Before: http://amptoons.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/amanda_waller.jpg
After: http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/09/IMG_0033.jpg


WHAT? Granted, that's not as bullshit as Marvel blatantly and suddenly de-aging Ashley Kafka without so much as a continuity reboot to back it up... but still, that is bullshit. Seriously, ugh.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2011, 10:44:56 PM »

Well, it looks like DC responded to the complaints... they put out this tweet:

We've heard what's being said about Starfire today and we appreciate the dialogue on this topic. We encourage people to pay attention to the ratings when picking out any books to read themselves or for their children.

Wow, way to completely miss the point.
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